Jan 9th, 2010. Upstairs at the Worcester Palladium. ALL AGES. $20! 6pm Doors.

Come celebrate the release of Age of End's debut album, "The Rhythm of the Slaughter" with some of the area's best up and coming bands!

For more information, keep it tuned to WAAF. To get tickets, please visit:

www.myspace.com/ageofend
www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Age-of-End/98666956746?ref=ts
www.ageofend.com

or

http://www.thepalladium.net/events.html

who?

yup this is just about as terrible as i thought it would be.

The band name sounds like a bad translation.

5 years ago these guys were definetly playing nu-metal, currently riding the 'dude ya brah' metal bandwagon.

at least the singer has a sikk tribal

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I believe I coined the phrase "nu-metal dropouts" for bands of that nature. I don't even think these guys enrolled.

hahaha

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A PARTY? Can I wear a festive hat?

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I picked up their demo CD from hot topic for the lulz.

I didn't realize CSDO was an "up and coming" band

And $20??? yeesh

well, maybe not up and coming lol. more like still around. and ya, $20 is a lot. We are putting together a party bus though, so that anyone who wants to can drink, and still have a safe ride to and from. Bus leaves from Haverhill Ma. Msg us for details.
www.myspace.com/ageofend

Can you make a list of everyone that pays $20 to get into this so we can make sure they're never allowed access to a show ever again?

hey dude...it's out of our hands. the promoter charges what the promoter charges.

It's costs $3000.00 to rent the upstairs room at the Palladium... That's why the show is $20.00. Hey I've got 15 tickets gone already in 2 days... This will be our (club) cd release as well... Summoning Hate will most likely be playing too...

Promoter's do the work themselves, they don't screw the bands into doing it for them. Whoever booked this is a douche, not a promoter.

It cost that much for UPSTAIRS? wow.
That's damn expensive for the size of that room...
I thought downstairs would cost that much.
Does anyone know what downstairs costs to rent?

That price includes sound and bouncers.

Don't forget the cock they put in your ass.

Maybe you should have booked this show at venue that you can actually break even at? retarded.

I would go for CSDO, but $20 is too much. I saw Municipal Waste, Brutal Truth and Phobia for $12 at the same place.

That's still outrageously priced compared to other venues.

I know that $20.00 is too much... But, you people don't get it... When the Palladium itself puts on shows it doesn't cost that much. But when they charge an arm and a leg to rent it to somebody else, that's why the price goes higher. I'll most likely charge $15.00 in advance and make up the rest... I want people to have money to buy cd's and t-shirts.

By the way Sacreligion sucks!! It's funny how you guys were nice to my face at the Graveheart show... No wonder why your band isn't around anymore.

We all know how big your dick is CSDO.

wow...this is getting funnier and funnier. All i know is that its 4am, and i just got home from a benefit show where we helped to raise enough money to bury yet another friend of ours, who died tragically. Our music is good. really good. We're not death metal, or hardcore, but we play what's in our hearts, like all of you do, including CSDO. I thought that's what playing music is supposed to be about.

Music, bro.

I would have said something if I had known about it a day earlier. I'm not trying to be hostile or anything, just making observations.


Oh wait, I'm not supposed to be here anymore or something. This internet is serious business.

ITT: Absurdity

Are people still surprised that the Palladium is an overall rip off, for everything...all the time?

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THIS SHOW SUCKS

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that was me that talked to you, jackass. you are fucking dumb. and we achieved more in 5 years than you did in 25.

I may have said "Hi" to Eric.

I was super hammid and don't really remember though.

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Hey Tony,

What have you done over the past 5 years... Nothing! Well may'be you can call complaining something.

Scaphism > Nothing

Wait a minute. That sounds terrible. I quit!

i'm not even going to waste my time.

hold on, let me get some popcorn.

haha wheres the beef

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New England Concerts is ripping off people again...

they stopped ripping off people?

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LULZ

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they need to rebuild the palladium

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I added MEATSAW to the show... What a great band. They sound like C.O.C., Scissorfight, Clutch, D.R.I., etc.

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i'd like to know how many people end up going to this show. for curiousity sake.

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Why don't you go to the show so you can see how many people show up...

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because i'm not curious enough to blow 20.00 on a crappy show. seriously why the fuck is it that expensive? you have no national act on the bill. thats an incredibly insulting thing to do to the actual fans of these bands. really dude.

did you sign a contract with them?

hahaha signed the bottom with the word fuck. Look, it's as simple as this, promoter sais "Wanna have your cd release at the Palladium?" The correct answer is yes.

the palladium sound sucks anyway. good luck with your 15 minutes of fame. i hope your friends and family resent dropping $20.00 on a crap ass show.

Good luck selling those tix..

this band would've been mediocre a dozen years ago. good for you guys

I mean this with respect, but why is that the correct answer?
In namesake yeah it's a nice name to put on the list of credits to your band, but really a building's just a place.
Also you are playing upstairs - not like it's downstairs opening for your idols in front of 1000+ people.
It should matter more that you can give your friends/fans affordable tickets You could have done this in a similar size venue way cheaper.
Also I think CD releases should be close to home and I believe this band is out of greater Boston, nothern MA?
Why not host it at Anchors Up or Harpers Ferry or The Middle East?
It's cool to play a big venue and all, but not when it's coming at the cost of the fans of your band and making a ticket cost what a national show does.
Just my opinion on the subject though and I do hope the show has a good turnout and goes well for you.
I just don't really understand the reasoning I guess to doing this.

Fuck tha haters. You should get Adam from Killswitch to do your next CD!

MAKIN' IT IN THE BIZ

Tammany would have been the best option for you guys. Thats where we are doing our cd release party and have very limited overhead. all tix are sold at the door for under 10.00 bucks and they have one of the best sound systems/soundguys in the state.

booking info?

And all very good points Rich, and believe me we have much respect for Josh, Mike, and everyone at Anchor's Up/Welfare Records. We're from Haverhill, and played there back in July with Unearth and FBC. This was just the best presented option for us.

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Passed out 400 flyers at the Cro-Mags show last Monday night. I already have well over 1000 out there between Manchester, NH./Worcester, MA./Revere, MA. & Salem, NH. We'll see what happens. I've sold all of my tickets and I know several people who gut tickets at F.Y.E.

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ITT: The misleading belief that handing out 1000s of flyers will result in corresponding attendance.

O.k., you've never handed out anything... Come to the show and see what happens know it all...

Nothing will happen because no one will be there because you suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck suck.

i believe this show will turn out good, my co-worker has a lot of people going to this. however i am working

Maybe, but I'm not about to miss an opportunity to shit-talk CSDO. I took an oath.

Hard No 9 or Scaphism? Either way I'll be there! (at fism's CD release. I might've gone to this show, but I'm going with my family to see Greg Brown at the Sanders Theater. Sorry!)

Its Hard No. 9's cd release. Gonna be a party and a half. Scaphism's cd release party is basically gonna cover the month February. Madd shows yo.

Nope. Not once ever obviously. I'm a wicked noob.

I might have to shit talk Pam a little bit... Get a life lesbian!

erase this thread no one likes this shitty show

i dunno if i support censorship...wheres the fun in that beelze?

Based off the demographic that was at the Cro-mags show, none of those kids are coming to your shitty show.

Awesome, I bet my friend you'd call me a lesbian or dyke within 2 days. Thanks for the five bucks!

OH SNAP.

LOL. You only bet 5 bux?

6. Profit

Phase 3: Profit

HI GUYS IM INTO EXTREME METAL AND THAT GIVES ME AUTHORITY TO SOUND LIKE A CUNT KNOW IT ALL ON A MESSAGE BOARD OF A SCENE THAT FAILS HARD. WHERE DA GOOD MUSIC AT CUZ IT CERTAINLY AINT AROUND BOSTON OR WORCESTER LOL

LOL

This board is music.

Yeah I would have gone to see Greg Brown too if you replied to messages on facebook! Ma koreh?!

actually it was last.fm if I remember correctly! haha You should go too! It'd be cool to see another metal head there!

Why yes it was. And I would have been in attendance if I wasn't running a Mos Eisley gig that night! Have fun, enjoy his storytelling

If I wasn't going to Greg Brown, I'd be at Mos Eisley as well! haha

Fixed.

I bet I hate you a lot more you cocksucker, I'd probably murder you and wrap you in barbed wire tie a cinder block to your ankle and throw you in lake superior you useless pile of shit

Too bad most of the bands on this board never get to play at the Palladium...

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selling tickets to play at the palladium does not count

agreed

palladium kinda sucks anyways, id rather play some random koc or american legion hall with awesome bands than tuesday metal night at the palladium starring csdo

Being kicked off a show for not selling all your tix is lame , And Eric, Telling the band to pay the $$ outta pocket is gay.

Whoa, wait a second. First of all, it's def not "Starring CSDO". This is our cd release party, and CSDO is on the bill, and we're happy about that. Second, it's not some random tuesday night, it's a Saturday night, and a great opportunity for us to release our debut album. Our fans are psyched, and so are we.
Now, who got kicked off of this? And why?!?! fuck what these people say....we're stoked to be playing with all of these bands!

You didn't get the memo?

No,I think it got lost amongst myTPS reports lol

so they used to play nu metal? because i'm pretty sure that's what i'm hearing right now on the myspace.

I just think it is stupid that a band gets booted off for not selling all their tickets, And the people who did buy a ticket from them cannot get a refund...Fuck that!

You're just jealous you're not playing The Palladium. Guess you're just not cut out for the big time, brah. Don't go hatin these virile young stallions cuz they got what it takes to make it!

agreed

ahhhahahaha!

oh the trolling

Trolling Stallionz?

Well you bunch of dopes... The show was packed!! A big thank you to New England Concerts and the Palladium. We'll be doing more shows there soon

You should've went... Lots of slamming and stagediving. We sold a lot of merch. And, Age Of End sold a lot of merch as well...

I had nothing to do with the band getting kicked off. They just couldn't do what they were asked to do... It's business. Nobody got a free ride on the show. Age Of End & CSDO were the headliners and both had to sell tickets also...

Guess they don't have what it takes. To make it.

Goddamn it you guys who pay to play shows are fucking weirdos. I hope you

get to be big rock stars someday...

wow, is that a wood carving? i bet Dwyer had his merch booth at that show.

It's not pay to play... You get the tickets from the promoter and you sell them. This means the band has to do some work. We sold 50 tickets easy 'cause it's the Palladium.

That's an old picture of me playing at Derringer's in Brockton, MA. in 1992.

this thread < this thread < this thread < this thread < this thread < this thread

No lie, those Nike high-tops are pretty gnarly.

wait....so what is the point of the promoter then? and a band getting booted for not selling enough tickets certainly sounds like pay to play to me.

so nice i posted twice

GREATEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN!

Did you have to give the promoter money in any way shape or form? If the answer is yes, then you did pay-to-pay. Sorry.

this is true. tammany hall's sound is downright epic.

True that.

You guys are a bunch of fuckin' idiots... It's pay to play when you have to buy the tickets up front!! You don't get it... When you sell the tickets that means you're doing work to get people to the show... Most of you would never do this. That's why you'll never get asked to play on any big shows. When we opened for the Misfits downstairs at the Palladium 2 years ago, we had to sell 100 tickets at $20.00. When we opened for Testament at the ADC Performance Center 2 years ago, we had to sell 75 tickets... When we played the New Jersey & Milwaukee Metal Fests, we had to buy tickets up front ($1500.00)... We sold them to friends of ours in those area's and made our money back.

Alot of the bands on here will go no further than their living room. They have no drive and no potential. They sit at home with the bong next to them complaining about what they dont have.
Selling tickets is part of the business. You have no idea how much it costs to run a show.

Ok lets hear the insults on this! If u need a picture to put a dick on let me know, I will send you one.

Thanks!

LOL @ old dudes still trying to make it in "the biz"

nobody beats the biz

I think CSDO and Rocko's is missing the whole "If bands are selling all the tickets, wtf is the promoter doing?" presentation point.

There are plenty of bands around here who do just fine for themselves without having to play any ticket-selling shows, can support themselves when going on the road, and finance themselves like a business when it comes to merch, travel expenses, etc. I have no personal problems with either of you guys, but these bands have every right in the world to tell you that the way most promoters do business is wrong.

Go home, faggot.

well looks like we arent gonna play rocko's now. fuck dealing with that bullshit attitude.

now... where's my complaint bong?

It's all good.

The whole "never getting anywhere" part of the pay-to-play thing is ridiculous. I've done more than my fair share of extraordinary things with music without ever selling tickets before a show.

If your band is fucking sweet, then people will want to come out based on that alone. Putting other sweet bands on a bill only increases the chances of the show being killer. Sorry to say, some people have diluted opinions of what bands actually matter locally, especially promoters. Just because a band is willing to stroke 50 people for 10 bucks doesnt mean the band actually has potential. It could just mean they have 50 sucker friends who probably won't even go to the show.

I understand there's overhead and everything else that go into the venue and other costs, but if promoters did homework and knew which bands people actually came to see, then they wouldnt have to bother making bands sell tickets. Just make fliers and advertise, and be confident you booked a good show.

If nobody is at the show, then nobody knew about it, cared about it, or there's a better show somewhere else.

"Promoters" love bands with tons of drinking buddies that have nothing better to do with their time. Kultur was a prime example of this. I don't think anyone actually enjoyed their music but everytime I would go to one of their shows it was guaranteed that there'd be 50 people there that I knew and had a good time with. I'd actually spend most of my time outside with them hahaha.

My point is, they would get booked all the time for the opposite reason of why a band should get booked on a show.

this and that.

Truth. Win. End thread.

It's funny how some people can talk themselves into thinking PTP is a good thing. This is exactly why CSDO has never gone anywhere.

This can best be explained by The Pinkerton Thugs:
"20 years on but whats really changed?"

Selling tickets puts people in the venue. The upstairs at the Palladium the other night was packed!! It wasn't sold out... But, every band on the bill sold tickets and we all had a great turn out. Not just good... but great.

Because we've worked with New England Concerts and did what we had to do (sell tickets), we just got put on the huge indoor beach party that they're putting on in March... We'll be playing with Prong, Soulfly and others in front of 5000 people!! Nothing wrong with that

Except that you're playing with Soulfly.

i would much rather get on a "big" show because my band was working hard deserved to be on a "big" show.

its very dishonest to me to pay to play. it says nothing of the quality of your music, but only of your willingness to shell out cash.

if you can sleep at night knowing that the only worthwhile accomplishments you made, were because you bought your way on to a show, then thats great for you. Its crazy to me how disillusioned some people are.

No one needs to say anything more than nate though.

all those bands are terrible. 4 realz age of end needs new singer

did revocation sell any tickets before getting signed to relapse?

prefect example of "play better music"

Exactly. I always go into bands hoping there is some ultimate payoff. Whether that be having having a great time with my friends, creating some killer tunes, or just not giving a fuck about anything in general. Rarely would I ever consider being on the biggest stage or the biggest paycheck the payoff, and I have a hard time being in bands with people who are looking for the big buck. It takes away from why you originally got into the band in the first place. I walked away from getting close to $2K or more after tours because I wasn't into it.

Being in a serious band is hard work, and it definitely sucks sometimes, but when it pays off it feels great, especially when the bigger shows go in your favor. Anyone who expects overnight success because they think their shit is sweet is fucked. There's lots of great local bands that deserve to open for a national tour without having to sell tickets. How many times have you seen a flier and thought "Why the fuck is that band on the show?"

A proper national tour show shouldn't require bands to sell presale tickets. The package alone, with proper advertising, should sell the tickets themselves, unless the tour itself is garbage from the get go.

i consider a band to be a financial success when payment from shows and from merch can support/cover all expenses required for a band to continuing improving their music and gaining a larger fan base. i'm fortunate to currently be in 2 bands that are living up to that... it took like 10 years or so to get to that point however. its nearly impossible to accomplish that participating in pay to play type scenarios imho

the worst shows i've ever been a part of were pay to play. and guess where those were? MARK'S, YAY! yet some of the best shows i've ever played were ones put on by hard workers in the local scene. i'd rather play for 25 people who are interested in what i do instead of 5000 who won't remember my name after i leave the stage.

I refuse to post a rant. But I will say this.

Sworn Enemy, Since the Flood, Full Blown Chaos, Death Before Dishonor

All these bands made their marks touring as unknowns, and playing DIY shows for years and not LOWERING themselves to bush league battle of the bands pay to play poser shows.

Could not agree more.

a tour package with bands who are doing well and people give a fuck about do not need any local openers for support. hundreds of people will show up because of the tour, not because of some jamoke band thats opening. and if you need a jamoke band to open and sell tickets to break even, dont take a lousy tour package.

I guess it's pay to play for you guys... 'Cause you'd never be able to sell any tickets. You'd have to buy them... That's pay to play. Selling tickets means that you are working to play. Lets see what happens when you guys call up Scott at the Palladium, the people at Mass Concerts or Bernie at New England Concerts to ask to get on a wicked cool show. Yes, sometimes we have to sell tickets. Other times we get asked to get on something big. And may'be we get paid...

It depends on the area... we'll get a $150.00 to $500.00 to play. When we don't get paid, we kind of make it up in merch sales. It depends on the show... we can make $100.00 to $600.00 selling shirts, cd's and other stuff.

Dunno about anyone else, but I'm still going to therapy to get over the rape that my last band endured at the spiked cat cock of the notorious Bernie (NE Concerts). My pleasant night has been ruined by reading his name; that which has been seen cannot be unseen.

In a positive light, distasteful past dealings such as this have inspired me to book shows with a non-profit mentality. I book bands that I like and I know people dig, and I refuse to take home any money in my wallet from the show. I don't want to. For me, it's good enough to see people enjoying a show and watching my hard work come together for a night of memorable times. I wonder how much Bernie enjoys the musical bills he puts together... cause I know he enjoys those dollar bills.

www.myspace.com/mos.eisley

Your band that hasn't done anything in 20 years has to sell tickets to get on a show that isn't even worth playing. Congratufuckinglations. As long as you can keep telling yourself you aren't busting your ass so a promoter can jam a cock in it, I suppose it's all good.

i'd rather never play the palladium ever in my life again than have to ask Scott to put is on a show (even if it wasnt pay to play.) fuck that fat douchebag.

This thread makes me smile.

Win.

Can't...stop...laughing

Hey Ballsacreligion,

CSDO has never done anything? We've toured, we've played at the Comcast Center when it was called Great Woods (on the mainstage), we've done the Milwaukee Metal Fest & the New Jersey Metal Fests over the years... Plus, we've played with so many big name bands (which most of you will never get a chance to play with)...You guys have never done anything. No wonder why you broke up... Remember Theresa tried helping you out? But you were too lazy to do anything...

In fact, we just got asked yesterday to open up for ANVIL at the HOUSE OF BLUES in Boston!! I turned it down 'cause we're going to see and hang out with D.R.I. at the Starland Ballroom in NJ... I gave the show to MELIAH RAGE

Hey Ballsacreligion,

CSDO has never done anything? We've toured, we've played at the Comcast Center when it was called Great Woods (on the mainstage), we've done the Milwaukee Metal Fest & the New Jersey Metal Fests over the years... Plus, we've played with so many big name bands (which most of you will never get a chance to play with)...You guys have never done anything. No wonder why you broke up... Remember Theresa tried helping you out? But you were too lazy to do anything...

In fact, we just got asked yesterday to open up for ANVIL at the HOUSE OF BLUES in Boston!! I turned it down 'cause we're going to see and hang out with D.R.I. at the Starland Ballroom in NJ... I gave the show to MELIAH RAGE

Hey Ballsacreligion,

CSDO has never done anything? We've toured, we've played at the Comcast Center when it was called Great Woods (on the mainstage), we've done the Milwaukee Metal Fest & the New Jersey Metal Fests over the years... Plus, we've played with so many big name bands (which most of you will never get a chance to play with)...You guys have never done anything. No wonder why you broke up... Remember Theresa tried helping you out? But you were too lazy to do anything...

In fact, we just got asked yesterday to open up for ANVIL at the HOUSE OF BLUES in Boston!! I turned it down 'cause we're going to see and hang out with D.R.I. at the Starland Ballroom in NJ... I gave the show to MELIAH RAGE

Was Theresa the girl that booked the joke wrestling/metal shows at Goodtimes? I hope neither she nor your band are the barometer for success with which you measure. I can never be accused of laziness when it came to booking shows or promotion. The reason Sac broke up was a combination of a lackadaisical drummer and infighting between us about the direction of the band combined with a natural process of separate age groups and disagreements between all of us. We can get in this argument all fuckin day, but in the end it still took you 20 years of ripping off Slayer to play with a nu-metal band at the Palladium, and Sac broke up after 5 years when we realized that we weren't going to be able to fully commit to the level of potential we could reach. Nothing you can say will ever amount to any form of jealousy in my mind.

Do you really think anyone at that Palladium show remembers or gives a shit about who you are(aside from who had to buy "discount" tickets from you)?

As harsh as that last post may seem, my main point is that pay-to-play is a waste of any legitimate band's time and money. Call the repost police.

Pay to play i dont agree with. Bands that play big shows should get compensated by the venue somehow.

Oh and look at bands as Revocation, Ramming Speed, Ravage, Howl, Swashbuckle, and CNV, they never did the whole PTP thing and are on labels and Revocation has played all over the US and will be touring Europe and Japan in a few months

CSDO, youv'e been around since the late 80s you've never toured outside the US and don't even have a full length. Sure you've toured and opened up for some big acts but what do you have to show for it?

CSDO your music is fun and i respect you guys, but its funny that the only time I see you guys at shows other then the ones you play are shows where you were supposed to play but either dropped or cancelled, or shows where Dan Lilker is around and playing.

We only go to good shows... Most of the bands around here sound the same... We'll be at Kreator, Over Kill, Joe Perry Project, D.R.I. (We just went down to NJ to see and hang out with them for two days) and we'll see what else comes around.

We've never put out a full length 'cause we've been screwed over by a couple of labels in the past. And with Screaming Ferret, a lot of things kept getting put off with distro. Two of the distro deals (Locomotive & Navarro) fucked up quite a few bands. I'm glad we didn't put out our stuff at that time. If we have anymore problems we might go with Hold True with Ethan to put our stuff out... We'll see...

What do we have to show for what we have done? We've never broke up... We've never gave up... We don't play trendy crap... We're always getting asked to play (shows, party's, etc). We're usually on guest lists to get into shows, racing events, sporting events, etc... We've got asked several times to do tours across the world over the years. But, we can't... We all need our jobs. Two summers ago we asked to go on tour with Harley's War to do the European summer festivals.

Hey ballsac-religion...

It's not pay to play you dope! It's only pay to play if you can't sell the tickets... We've never had to pay to play. When you sell tickets you can also make money. At the Testament show we did in Southbridge we made $500.00 after selling the amount that we had to sell. Plus, we made another $600 to $700 in merch.